Talk:Afro

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Afro article

The young adult does not have an 'afro', his hair spirals down, not up/outward. God, I am so sick of Black women trying to pretend that wavy, curly,frizzy or any kind of hair which isn't bone straight qualifies as "nappy", anyone can clearly see the distinction between his 'afro' and Michael Evan's afro on Good Times. Whites/non-Blacks can have loosely curled 'Jew fros' but his is not one of them. Blacks have no sense of pride whatsoever, so quick to give their unique heritage away to other people. FYI, the afro was first donned by Black South African women in the 1950s, it only later became popular among Black Americans in the late '60s who wanted to reconnect with their African heritage. No point editing that in, of course, being Wikipedia it will be deleted in a few minutes. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.52.167.235 (talk) 18:45, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

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Non-African Americans Sporting The Afro Hairstyle

Those of Hispanic descent with curly hair can have an Afro, as can any person with curly-enough hair. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.223.172 (talk) 02:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

They may be non-African-Americans, but they must have some African in them in order to be able to have an afro in the first place. Afros don't just come out of no where. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.127.179.161 (talk) 06:18, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

This article is an absolute joke.The fact that jewish americans are equated as to having anything to do with the afro hairstyle and lifestyle is absurd.Not to say jews dont have curly hair but its not as though they orginated it or mainted it or its popularighty.More jewish bias on wikipedia I guess.Wikimakesmart (talk) 07:28, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

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Jordan Mann, a Lesser Known Rock Musician of the Late 19th Century

The section on history claims "Jordan Mann" is a lesser known rock musician of the late 19th century, who exhibited Circassian Beauties who had hairstyles similar to an Afro. I am far from convinced that this is actually relevant enough to be the sole entry in the "history" section, but for now I am removing the reference to Mr. Mann, who according to the referenced page does not seem to exist. The Circassian Beauties were most closely associated with P.T. Barnum. Thomas Roche (talk) 20:22, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

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Bifro

I propose starting a page entitled 'Bifro'. Bifro is a term that I have heard more and more often over the last few years and a quick Google search quickly reviews it's meaning.

"An afro hairstyle of a white person. May have originated form the character 'Biff' in back to the future who had a small version of a bifro." (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bifro)

I'm not too sure how Wikipedia views Urban Dictionary in terms of reliability though. What does everyone think? Or perhaps a section should be devoted to it in the 'Afro' article, with a link from the Jewfro article. It should also be noted that it would probably be more accurate to say that some of those listed as having a Jewfro actually have a bifro - i.e. Seth Rogan.

Let me know what you think Zestos (talk) 16:38, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

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Care and maintenance section

I'm think of making a short section on afro care and maintenance. There is a range of products, methods, and accessories related to this. This image would suit the section well. Any thoughts, help, or suggestions? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:48, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

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Afar people

In the sentence which starts with "Similarly, young males of nomadic clans in Somalia..." in the section titled "Fuzzy Wuzzy" User:24.77.65.84 inserted "Afar" (which I assume refers to the Afar people). As far that the existing article for the Afar people states, they are not from Somalia and yet the reference for that existing sentence about nomadic clans does specifically refer to Somalia. I suppose given the Afar people are nomadic and tend to live in that general area of Eastern Africa it is very possible that the existing reference about "nomadic clans" could include the Afar, but we cannot be certain that this was the author's intent. I have posted a comment to that user 24.77.65.84's talk page asking them to provide a reliable source for this info. If anyone else is able to, please feel free to re-add this info to the article along with a cited source.Marchijeo^speak/_peek 12:57, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

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Ancient Egypt Afros

There are plenty of depictions of Ancient Egyptians wearing "Afros" as well as wigs that resemble Afros.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRlQEmumk5s --Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.139.228.30 (talk) 21:28, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

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LMFAO

It was not mentioned in here that other famous people known to have an afro would include one of the African-American singers in LMFAO; Steven Kendal Gordy or Redfoo. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.99.4.150 (talk) 01:10, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

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Cornrows & Negritos

The Afro is obviously not an exclusively African hairstyle since many Papuans, Aeta, Andamanese, and other Negrito groups naturally wear their hair in this way. Cornrows are also offtopic, as they are an altogether different hairstyle. Soupforone (talk) 21:57, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I'll remove the part regarding cornrows and the traditional African hairstyle, since you raise a valid point. Latin Wolf (talk) 22:39, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, that was already done. You actually reinserted the cornrow stuff [1]. Soupforone (talk) 20:35, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

RfC: Is the information about the Circassian beauties relevant?

Fiji

What is the politically correct way to describe natural hair that resembles Afro and Afro-textured hair (these articles really don't leave room for non-African hairstyle that resembles them) on non-African people like the Fijians and Micronesian people?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 12:12, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

My first thought is: Do Fijian and Micronesian peoples consider their untreated curly hair to be a hairstyle called an "afro"? If they do, then the challenge would be to find a reliable source to back-up this information. If you have some reliable sources to cite and would like to add them to this article, feel free to leave a message on my talk page and I will help you with what I can.Marchijeo^speak/_peek 14:40, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Jewfro: anti-Semitism

Is the purpose of a Wikipedia article to inform in an unbiased way or rather is it to make people feel embarrassed or ridiculous?

The file 'Jewfro.jpg' depicts a man wearing not only a Jewfro but also a hideous facial expression. Holding this grotesque image up as somehow representative of the style of "Jewfro" casts Jews as a subject of ridicule and harkens back to a time when this type of hate mongering was less than reprehensible. Does it strike anyone here as odd that the other men and women wearing Afro styles on the page under consideration have normal facial expressions? I ask that Jews are treated with no less a degree of respect and that is why I recommend that we change the image to the file 'Classic_Jewfro.jpg' a neutral image available in the public domain that dispenses with the past transgressions of the Wikipedia Afro article.

Zmenglish (talk) 17:28, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

1. WP:Consensus is not obtained by one user posting in talk then making disputed changes. A discussion should take place.
2. The opinion that one has a hideous facial expression is an opinion. In mine both images have issues.
3. Both images of people could be considered as self-promotion. The subject is unknown and for all we know could be an attempt to insert an image of a specific person. A good-faith approach would be to use a current neutral image. For example see File:Richard Simmons 2007-08-15.jpg or File:SethRogen 7 2007.JPG, both of which are already available on Commons.--?Loriendrew? ?(ring-ring) 01:28, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

1. The original picture, 'Jewfro.jpg' had been in place for the previous 8 years, is used in multiple Wikipedia articles, is one of the top image results in Google for the keyword "Jewfro", and has been featured on several other articles around the Internet. User Zmenglish's insistence that this picture is "hideous" and "Anti-Semetic" is both ridiculous and childish. The continued switching of the images does nothing to improve the overall quality of the article, which has been at peace ever since the "Jewfro" article merged into the parent "Afro" article. The 'Jewfro.jpg" image has served it's purpose of providing a visual aid to this section of the "Afro" article for quite a long time. Switching the image to "Classic_Jewfro.jpg" or any other neutral image would not serve to improve the overall quality of the article, and I implore the Wikipedia community to leave the 'Jewfro.jpg' in place.--?Wiki1259? [[User talk:Wiki1259|(ring-ring)
2. Please view the Wikipedia article 'List of hairstyles' and see that, in addition to celebrity photos, many articles use pictures of everyday people to visualize various hairstyles. There is no controversy with non celebrity photos across Wikimedia in general, the Afro article should be no different. --?Wiki1259? [[User talk:Wiki1259|(ring-ring) --Preceding undated comment added 04:26, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
3. I don't think there's anything wrong with the original image. It shows the hairstyle concept perfectly. It looks like user Zmenglish is just trying to cause trouble by repeatedly swapping out the pictures. I'd leave it with the top picture.--TheWiz4444 (talk) 02:31, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
4. By not allowing the original 'Jewfro2.jpg' image to remain in the article, the precedent that is being set is that any user, at any time, can replace longstanding images across Wikimedia simply because they don't like them, regardless of the quality of the image and how it contributes to the overall article. This could prove to be extremely disruptive and subject to widespread pranks and trolling. Many other hairstyle articles use pictures of everyday people to visualize their concepts, it is not mandatory that an image of a celebrity be used to represent every known hairstyle as a neutral compromise. A Wikipedia article should not be thrown into turmoil because one user decides to switch out imagery that had been in place for 8 years in what seems to be an attempt to cause trouble and discontent rather than helping improve the state of the "Afro" page. Wiki1259 (talk) 02:04, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
5. I, too, see nothing wrong with the original image. In fact, as a Jewish-American young man I deeply resent User Zmenglish's implication that a natural facial expression made by a Jewish-American youth is "grotesque" or in any way anti-Semitic. In fact, precisely in order to combat any notion of tokenism I find it preferable that the Wikipedia presence for the Jewfro hair style be visually represented by an ordinary Jewish-American male rather than a Jewish celebrity. The original image stood for eight years and seemed perfectly serviceable. It is unclear to me why one user's opinion-based and entirely subjective belief that the image is in some way "anti-Semitic" when there is no concrete basis for that claim should unsettle it. MetsFan1992 (talk) 02:17, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Politics aside, might I suggest using a more fro-y looking example? The guy in the current picture has curly hair, but it's the droopy kind, not the thick, sphere-forming kind. To point to it as an example of afro-like hair seems a bit much. Something more like this, maybe (Edit: I mean the hair, not the toothpick) (except it's not free): [2] Rosekelleher (talk) 01:29, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

p.s. I don't see anything wrong with the original guy's appearance or expression. He's smiling, and he has nice hair. It just doesn't scream "fro" to me. Rosekelleher (talk) 01:40, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

For Christs sake

Popular with "African Americans"? So not with African Africans, African Europeans, African Asians, African Australians? Just African Americans? It's always about the Americans with some people. Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 08:29, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps you may want to re-read the article: The afro is not a "hairstyle" per se, it is simply the way that people with curly or kinky hair look if they choose to let it grow out and not straighten it. But the term "afro" was adopted to describe this a chosen hairstyle by African Americans, who up until the 60s had by and large been styling their hair in such a way as to try to mimic white hairstyles. In fact, it is stated in the section about the 60s and 70s that "contemporary African society of the mid-20th century did not consider either hairstyle to denote any particular 'Africanness'; conversely, some Africans felt that these styles signified 'First-worldness'." Then in the "Similar styles internationally" section it goes on to mention how this hairstyle was received by Africans in the Carribean, Tanzania and South Africa after the 60s ressurgence -- which either was not adopted at all or outright banned.

Truly people all over the world with afro-textured hair have always had afros; it's the natural state of their hair. But given African Americans had been trying for so long to minimize the natural tendency of their hair to puff-out because "wooly" hair was seen by the predominate white culture as undesireable. When African Americans started to go back to letting their hair do what it did naturally this was seen in part as an expression of their "Africanness". Granted, this may very well be a self-centred view on the part of African Americans, but let's face it, we can say that about many aspects of American culture in general.

Mind you I think this is a great discussion point and if you can find information you can cite about the history of this hairstyle amongst people of African descent outside of America and Africa then please do add it to the article. I personally put a lot of work into finding reliable sources to cite in this article and had I found such information I would have added it, but I only work from sources that are freely accessible via the web that are in either English or French and unfortunately I did not find much in the way of how this hairstyle was received internationally as most sources I found about this hairstyle appeared in American publications.

But that's the great thing about Wikipedia: If you feel that information housed within an article is inaccurate or incomplete and you can find reliable sources to cite for the correct/missing information then you can add it to the article. I noted that your user page mentions that you speak other languages, so perhaps you can find reliable sources in those languages. If you can that would be great and if you require any assistance I would be more than happy to help. Cheers! Marchijeo^speak/_peek 14:28, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for the fix AcidSnow. However, it seems part of the jileec vs. jareer traditional distinction that Mouton actually touches on [3] [4] and which we discussed was accidentally lost in the typographical shuffle. That is not a problem, though, as I've fixed it. Cheers-- Soupforone (talk) 16:59, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

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